Button Move Bug in Ring games

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Button Move Bug in Ring games

Postby riclesb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:17 am

This i believe is related to how you handle the button if someone gets felted or leaves.
I know you use the "Button always moves rule" and understand why.
here is the scenario and what has been happening in one of our games.
a new player sits in and wants to "wait for the BB" to play, as the BB is about to get to him the previous big blind after he folds "sits out" (avoiding the small blind) the guy waiting x number of hands already gets skipped over as the Botton passes him by and goes to the player to his left.
Once people figured out that they could do this (1. skip the small blind and 2. annoy and tease the guy trying to come in by making him have to post or wait for another whole round and then hope the small blind to be player to his right wont do it again) this then forces the new player to post in order to get into the game.
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Re: Button Move Bug in Ring games

Postby Kent Briggs » Sun Jan 07, 2018 11:41 am

riclesb wrote:This i believe is related to how you handle the button if someone gets felted or leaves.
I know you use the "Button always moves rule" and understand why.
here is the scenario and what has been happening in one of our games.
a new player sits in and wants to "wait for the BB" to play, as the BB is about to get to him the previous big blind after he folds "sits out" (avoiding the small blind) the guy waiting x number of hands already gets skipped over as the Botton passes him by and goes to the player to his left.
Once people figured out that they could do this (1. skip the small blind and 2. annoy and tease the guy trying to come in by making him have to post or wait for another whole round and then hope the small blind to be player to his right wont do it again) this then forces the new player to post in order to get into the game.


This may be an annoyance, but it's not a bug. It happens at all poker sites. If the player wants in he can do so directly behind the button with a BB post. New players are never allowed to start in the SB or Dealer position unless it's heads-up play and holding the button two hands in a row would give that button player an unfair advantage. This is also true in tournaments when changing tables. By the way, the guy posting the BB and then sitting out the next hand is only hurting himself as he has to skip the button and post that SB anyway if he returns.
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Re: Button Move Bug in Ring games

Postby riclesb » Sun Jan 07, 2018 12:29 pm

i understand why.
but I believe (95%) that when BB sits out and comes back in he is not forced to post the small blind as he should be, thereby gaining an advantage (yes he misses his button as a cost)
if he was posting SB it wouldn't be so bad but he can still force the other player to post after the button passes as you suggest... but still not totally fair to that player as he will have to have to post two times in one round. If that is true of other sites (that they can prevent a player from entering a game without posting) i just never noticed and maybe just the way it is, but player doing the siting out should be forced to pay his SB.
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Re: Button Move Bug in Ring games

Postby Kent Briggs » Sun Jan 07, 2018 1:29 pm

riclesb wrote:but I believe (95%) that when BB sits out and comes back in he is not forced to post the small blind as he should be


The SB goes in as a dead blind, directly to the pot like an ante. Unless that player waits until the BB comes around and then he'll post a normal BB and then SB on the following hand. If you have a hand history where this is not happening then I'd like to see it.
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Re: Button Move Bug in Ring games

Postby riclesb » Wed Jan 10, 2018 12:53 am

apologies of course you are correct
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