Warning about Danielle

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social
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Warning about Danielle

Post by social »

First, Danielle is not *his* real name...he is a Man, and his name is Daan. He does not care if he misleads people about who he is.
Second, he does not speak English as well as he thinks he does, and this can cause problems in dealing with him.
He sees only his own side of things, as you can see from some of his exchanges with Kent about him spamming the forum with images and sales pitches.
He uses his own interpretation of English and Logic.
Maybe he has given good service to other people....but in my case it did not go well.

I made a deal to purchase two of his packages from him (99 Euros and 59 Euros), along with some custom coding (he told me he would make a Head to Head script for 10 - 15 Euros), and whatever other scripts he was offering. His advertisement in this forum, and emails he sent me, said "all scripts"
99 euro = Complete website incl slots, roulette blackjack swf all scripts and 17 Table designs themes.

I told him I did not want the 17 Table themes, and I offered him 200 Euros for all of the other stuff, and asked him *twice* if he was going to give me all this stuff for 200 Euros, and he said "Yes."

Now he is trying to claim that he never agreed to that, and he refuses to give me the Head to Head script, or the other PM exe 1.1 file I thought he would be including.
He refuses to make any concessions whatsoever, even though I paid him a lot more than he was asking for his scripts in his forum...and I did not want the table themes.

Here is a summary of my complaint to him: (My words are in Red)

You told me to make you an offer.
I told you what I wanted: custom coding and *ALL* your other scripts: "whatever other good scripts you have written"
I asked you if you would give me this for 200 Euros.
You said that is a lot of scripts, but you said "YES."

Here is the copy of your email where you responded to my offer, below:

From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
To: non existent <[email protected]>
Sent: Sun, September 4, 2011 12:49:23 PM
Subject: Re: Script Poker Mavens


Dear Russ,

Is your name Daan or Danielle?
Danielle is a female name in English....are you female?

My name is Daan and i am male
Will the casino games (Roulette, Slots, Blackjack) legally licensed to me?
I do not want to get into trouble if they are Pirated copies?

They ar 1000% maked by me only and no pirated copy! i am the owner of them
I need to have pages with Leaderboards for the Roulette, Slots and Blackjack amounts,
so we can see a rank-ordered list of who the most successful players are.
I need the same thing for Poker. I need a Leaderboard for who has the most Poker Chips, in General.

I can make this for you, like the playing slots log is this olso no problem for me to make
I need another page which will show Tournament Winnings Leaderboard for Players....who has won the most Chips in Tournaments.
Take some more time then the other scripts but possible!
I need a Head to Head Match Leaderboard, which will show rankings based upon how many Wins and Losses in Head to Head matches.
I need whatever other good scripts you have written.

a little many script for only 200 euros.
Can you do all this for me for $200 Euros?
Yes.
gr
Daan


I asked you AGAIN if you would give me ALL your scripts:


From: non existent
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2011 3:51 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Script Poker Mavens
Hallo Meneer Daan:
If I understand you correctly you are willing to give me all those scripts plus the website source code for 200 Euros.
When would you be able to have the coding ready?
Russ



Again, you told me "Yes" - and that you would send everything as soon as I paid you on your website:


From: scriptswebshop.com <[email protected]>
To: non existent <[email protected]>
Sent: Mon, September 5, 2011 1:50:11 AM
Subject: Re: Script Poker Mavens


Yes, when you buy it in the store : http://www.scriptswebshop.com/en/49-special-order.html
Then i will make the code ready and send it to you.
gr
Daan


*****************END OF COLOR CODED QUOTES********

So, I paid him up front using a Link he sent me to his new Website (which has NO terms of service and no statements about Refund policies or anything) and he sent me the source code for his demo website (99Euros) (which is all in Dutch, and I cannot understand most of it) and he sent me the API package that he was selling for 59 Euros ...and he included some code he wrote to keep track of player activities for slots, blackjack and roulette.

There was a little surprise when I opened up the Read Me file: in there he stated that there was NO SUPPORT included, and support would have to be purchased on his website....even though it does not say that in any of the description of the product. How the hell am I supposed to even understand the instructions in Dutch with NO SUPPORT at all?

But he also did not include the Head to Head script he had told me he would do for 10 - 15 Euros...or any of the other scripts he was advertising for Poker Mavens.

I complained to him that there were a lot of Dutch words and phrases in the coding for the website AND for the API scripts (which he told me were in English, but that is not completely true...lots of variables are named in Dutch words in the database....and my Coder will have to translate them all in order to integrate his database with mine).

I complained about the hidden way he said there was no support.

I asked him to either give me a partial refund or give me the scripts which I thought I had paid for.
He refuses.

Here is my point:

His API script package scripts (59 Euros) were actually included in the Source Code package (99) but I paid him for both anyways (149 Euros Total) and gave him another 51 Euros for the custom coding he had told me he was going to do (remember he told me he would only charge me 10 -15 Euros for the Head to Head script)...and I thought he would throw in a couple of other scripts for the total payment of 200 Euros. He agreed to do that, as a package deal.

His argument is that he sent me a bunch of Slot Games as part of the Source Code package, which I would have to pay over 400 Euros for if I bought them separately through his website.

But, I did not ask for all those Slot Games, and do not even want them. I am willing to state that I have no license to use any of those games, and will not use them on any site, if he would negotiate in good faith.

His second argument is that because he stated: a little many script for only 200 euros. that this was a rejection of my offer, and that he was not obligated to provide me with the head to head script.

In my opinion, this is nonsense, because in the very next line of the email I asked him if he would " do ALL of this for 200 Euros" and he said "YES."
I asked him TWICE if he would provide all of these scripts, and he said YES.

He never told me anywhere in our emails that there would be NO Support, and he never told me anywhere that he would REFUSE to give me the Head to Head code as part of the package.

He claims that the statement "that is a lot of scripts for a little money" is somehow a statement that he will not provide the head to head script, but he should have said "No, I will not provide that." He did not say that.

He refuses to give me even the Head to Head script to resolve this conflict. Even though I have explained that we had some language communication barriers, he is trying to claim that I am trying to cheat him...when, if anything, it looks like he is trying to back out of the agreement he said yes to.

I cannot speak to the quality of his coding...my coder cannot understand a lot of it, because the scripts are partly written in Dutch:
Example:
// Verwijder deze comment en de onderstaande regel als je een eigen stylesheet gebruikt...
echo "<link rel=\"stylesheet\" content=\"text/css\" href=\"style.css\">";
if(!$login){
?>
<?
}
if($login AND session_is_registered('userid')){
$query = mysql_query("SELECT * FROM leden WHERE userid = '$userid'");
$toon = mysql_fetch_object($query);
while($object = mysql_fetch_object($query)){
$gebruikersnaam = $object->gebruikersnaam;
$priveberichten = $object->pm;
}
I have politely asked him several times to compromise with me, and to find a solution to this disagreement.

He refuses to consider that maybe HE is part of the problem, and claims that *I* do not know how to read...which is a laugh...given that I have 3 degrees from English speaking university programs.

Instead, he accuses me of trying to cheat *him* in some way.
I have filed a complaint with Paypal.

I am not saying he is a bad person....but he is difficult to deal with, and has his own self-serving interpretation of the English language.
Caveat Emptor.
Danielle
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by Danielle »

You have got all of the files, you only cannot script it and set it only now you ar disapointed about it and want money back buy you have got everything and you have today threaten me several times that you want your money back or i must give you more files!

You wanted so mutch more for only 200 euros and know you want me make me black on this site ? great try.
i totaly dont need this, you ar angry about you cant get it right and know you say a keep the shit and give me my money back but you have all flash stuff etc ?

You got all scripts that makes more then 600 euro!!! for only 200!

Head to head script i say :

A little to mutch for only 200euros!!! that is NO if you cant read english!


And about the dutch = i say website srouce rdpoker.net if you have visit the site you have seen that its dutch!!

nice try m8
Erkan
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by Erkan »

Hi Russ,

I am from the Netherlands and Daan gave me the script too.
Well I thought he would give me scripts that were ready to implement but whatever I tried, I was not able to get one of the scripts working.
So I also red everything and tried it many times, I thought I would need to have to install a old version of a PHP server.
I did that but even then it didnt work.
So I also mailt Daan and ask him some questions and at a point I didnt get any reaction back.
Well so now I have the scripts and I am not a PHP coder so I am stuck with the code like it is.

But I can tell you this.
I learned that the scripts from Daan is not ready to implement and you need to have PHP coding knowlegde to get it work.
I mean it doesnt work like its described in the read me file.
I think Daan doesnt give any support without payment, thats something I learned after I got the scripts and had a email interaction with him.

Yes, you are right that you are complaining about him.
I think he knows verry well english because the problem you have I have with him in Dutch.
And Dutch is our lanquage so the problem is not the lanquage barrier.

So I am not here to make Daan look bad but I hope he realise that the way he is selling is not the right way.
Because he act like the scripts are ready to use infact its not.
The fact that some of the script is in Dutch, he must have known that foreign people dont understand this and it makes the script verry confusing.
He is not clear about what he is selling, whats include what not, if there is support or not etc.
He doesnt have legal terms on his site because its not a legal site or not yet a legal company that can sell.

The reason that I give a reaction is that I hope Daan realise that he has to change his way of selling.
That he start to be clear about what he is selling.

Reagrds,

Erkan.

Ps.
If you cant translate the scripts and Daan doesnt want to help you I can help you translate it.
Maybe you can help me by correcting the code.
social
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by social »

Danielle wrote:
Head to head script i say :

A little to mutch for only 200euros!!! that is NO if you cant read english!

And about the dutch = i say website srouce rdpoker.net if you have visit the site you have seen that its dutch!!

nice try m8
You are the one who cannot read or write in English - funny, because I know Dutch people are very proud of their knowledge of English...
In English, if you say : "a lot of scripts for a little money" that does NOT mean NO, especially when you say "YES" to the question "Will you give me ALL of these scripts for 200 Euros?"
"All" refers to everything discussed before that question.
If you wished to say No, then when I ask "Will you give me all the scripts?" you should have said :
"No, I will give you everything except for Head to Head script."
And that would be a Counter-offer....instead, you *accepted* my offer by saying YES.

All you did was complain about the deal I offered, but a lot of people complain about a deal, and THEN they accept it.
THAT is what you did. Complain about a lot of scripts for little money, and then in the very next sentence you ACCEPTED my deal.

If you are going to do business in English, then you should learn to write, read and THINK in English.

You said the API code was all in English...that is not true.
I gave example above.

This is all so stupid...and unnecessary.

You try to cheat me out of a simple script that you said you would charge only 10 - 15 Euros for.
I gave you 200 Euros worth of business.
The script is less than 10 percent of what i paid.

The Joke?
Danielle wrote:Special for Briggsoft.com users 10% Voucher on every Poker Mavens product in my new shop :

Voucher Code : Briggsoft10

More info see : http://www.scriptswebshop.com
You are giving 10% discount to anybody on this forum.

Which I did NOT try to use. That 10% is more than the cost you quoted for the custom script.

I have tried to negotiate a settlement with you for hours and hours and hours....and you are too stubborn and blind to see that you engage in BAD BUSINESS practices.
I am not the only one who thinks so.

You NEVER told me there was no support.
You had plenty of chances to tell me, we exchanged many emails, and I asked you many questions.
You should announce something like that up front.
You could write it in Product Display on your website.
You have NOTHING in your Terms of Service section, where you could explain something like that.


I tried to avoid complaining about you.
I treated you politely, and requested win-win solution....Instead, you insult me, and call me a child, and tell me I cannot read.

I would much prefer to have the coding I paid you for, and which you agreed to provide.

If you will not give it to me, or you will not give me a partial refund, then, YES, I will try to cancel entire deal, because I have not got what I asked you for, and what I paid you for.
social
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by social »

Erkan wrote: Yes, you are right that you are complaining about him.
I think he knows verry well english because the problem you have I have with him in Dutch.
And Dutch is our lanquage so the problem is not the lanquage barrier.

So I am not here to make Daan look bad but I hope he realise that the way he is selling is not the right way.
Because he act like the scripts are ready to use infact its not.
The fact that some of the script is in Dutch, he must have known that foreign people dont understand this and it makes the script verry confusing.
He is not clear about what he is selling, whats include what not, if there is support or not etc.
He doesnt have legal terms on his site because its not a legal site or not yet a legal company that can sell.

The reason that I give a reaction is that I hope Daan realise that he has to change his way of selling.
That he start to be clear about what he is selling.

Thank you for your comment.
Yes, he does not have valid Terms of Service section, does not even tell the truth about who he is in "About Us" section.
Does not even use his own Paypal Account....he uses some woman's name in this forum and for paypal.

These are not good signs that a business can be trusted.
I was stupid to trust him...even I asked him if I could trust that he would send ALL the scripts,
and he said "Yes"...
He never said "No, I will not send Head to Head script, but everything else I will give you."

Deception is never good, even if it is not illegal.

When I asked specifically asked him where my Head to Head script was, he lied to me and sent me two File names.
I guess he thought I was too stupid to know that there was nothing for head to head in those files.
ddominguez
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by ddominguez »

the "danielle" script are a robery, very bad implementation. i found the complete casino script free with the source code, i have integrate full with pm.
social
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by social »

ddominguez wrote:the "danielle" script are a robery, very bad implementation. i found the complete casino script free with the source code, i have integrate full with pm.
Really? He told me that HE created all those games, and that they were not pirated in any way.

However, one of his slot games contains pictures of Poker Players that are copyrighted material, and in violation of DCMA regulations.
Danielle
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Re: Warning about Danielle

Post by Danielle »

social wrote:
ddominguez wrote:the "danielle" script are a robery, very bad implementation. i found the complete casino script free with the source code, i have integrate full with pm.
Really? He told me that HE created all those games, and that they were not pirated in any way.

However, one of his slot games contains pictures of Poker Players that are copyrighted material, and in violation of DCMA regulations.

Yes i created them, i have the source of it .fla files


PS : I Will update the Poker slots in new symbols!
Kent Briggs
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Re: Warning about Danielle

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